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« Reply #30 - on: 09/26/06 at 11:06pm »
 
well iam a vocal and umm singing is something very cool but its also hard which mean voice chord is like a guitar strings u have to tune it u cant play in a gig and u r guitar or bass is not tunned right? tunning u r voice is really easy if u wanna do it just find anyone that plays a keyboard ok and tell him to teach u scales and try to reach u r highest tone and stop ok then the next time u will do it u will find a bit easier then the time befor it till u get it with no damn effort then take the next scale.  
 Hint: vocaling scale cant be more then 10 min a day  
and guys begad i use to smoke like u and stuff and that effected me alot begad i got screwed.
last thing water and yansoon this are the best before any jamming or a gig one day one of u will come and tell me u r right by the way iam a clean vocal and brutal
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« Reply #31 - on: 09/27/06 at 12:16am »
 
tab mafeesh 7aga tania gheer 7ewar el keyboard dah i mean  something can be done in home without keyboard or something
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« Reply #32 - on: 09/28/06 at 1:44am »
 
well there is but u wanna be a good vocal u have to man go with the keboard trust me the other thing is guitar tunner any small guitar tunner with mic and go with it but that will just tune up u r voice so u could sing right notes thats all anyway i have some audio to train u r voice but i dunt know how to send them so? guys belive me drink yansoon and u will notice the diff and try to quit cigs and if u cant at least try to stop before u r gig by 3 4 days
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« Reply #33 - on: 09/28/06 at 6:56pm »
 
well, there IS something else, actually!
it's called.... singing along!
here's how it's done:
first, you turn up the volume of your sound system, and actually sing along with the track you wanna sing! the first time won't always be great, but, it's a sign that you need to practice!
then, as you get better at that particular track, you LOWER the volume of the track so you can hear your own voice CLEARLY, therefore being able to notice if you have any bad notes(nowat nashaz ya3ni)!(pm me if you need any excercises on improving bad notes alright?)
then, after a while, you'll be able to sing the track perfectly(as long as you warm up, pm me if you want any warm-up exercises as well)! warming up is very important, cuz like haythem said, your voice is like an instrument, so treat it like one! polish it(STOP FUCKING SMOKING/DRINK YANSOON...etc.), tune it(vocal exercises) and so on...
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« Reply #34 - on: 09/29/06 at 1:28am »
 
yup thats right hefnawy i do that from time to time higher u sterio volume ok and sing with the song for like 3 4 days then lower the volume so u could here u r self even if the track u listening to is low pitch belevie me it works and btw hefnawy is a gr8  vocal and we always practice with each other in the car lol we just play any track we like and we sing along the track its damn gr8 feeling when u just singing with u r friend and both of u learning some mistakes
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« Reply #35 - on: 09/29/06 at 11:11am »
 
you can use an acoustic guitar tuner also for practicing like the keyboard but that will be for holdin steady notes so you know well how much you can reach singing the samenote without goin out of it but with scales keyboards or an acoustic guitar can help with this we er7amo el car el 3'albana  lol about brutal vocals you should also do the same coz theoreticaly(dont know how to spell lol) a brutal distorted vocalist is like a distorted guitar but it also goes on notes and scales just listen to bands like opeth and eternal tears of sorrow mainly the finnish and the swedish schools of death and goth metal you will find out that they use notes like any other instruments unlike old school black metal they hardly ever use it except for eyronemes of mayhem he uses it sometimes and varg from burzum and the dude from dimmu borgir
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« Reply #36 - on: 09/30/06 at 1:25am »
 
Quote from Moustafa Hefnawy on 09/28/06 at 6:56pm:
well, there IS something else, actually!
it's called.... singing along!
here's how it's done:
first, you turn up the volume of your sound system, and actually sing along with the track you wanna sing! the first time won't always be great, but, it's a sign that you need to practice!
then, as you get better at that particular track, you LOWER the volume of the track so you can hear your own voice CLEARLY, therefore being able to notice if you have any bad notes(nowat nashaz ya3ni)!(pm me if you need any excercises on improving bad notes alright?)
then, after a while, you'll be able to sing the track perfectly(as long as you warm up, pm me if you want any warm-up exercises as well)! warming up is very important, cuz like haythem said, your voice is like an instrument, so treat it like one! polish it(STOP FUCKING SMOKING/DRINK YANSOON...etc.), tune it(vocal exercises) and so on...

 
A vocal teacher once told me that that is the exact thing you should AVOID. NEVER sing along to tracks, almost all of your possible errors can be masked by the running song, find an instrumental version of the song (Hell, even use Midi) and sing along to THAT, NOT the original track.
 
I read extensively into smoking and its effect on voice, smoking CHANGES your voice, not nessecerily in a bad way though, so if you like gritty voices filled with "heat" (like Creed's) sometimes smoking warps the voice that way. But it does cut down on your breath like a katana so watch out. Drinking has almost no effect though, excluding general health of course.
 
One more thing
Always record yourself singing and listen to it, wether you;re singing alone or along to some instrument(s), chances are YOU are the most well-versed about your own voice and how it works, so you might be your own vocal trainer, just a thought, since that's how i improved my singing (And that's considering i HATE my voice, i've come a long way with that method, like never going out of key [nashaz] and adding heat ).
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« Reply #37 - on: 09/30/06 at 1:44am »
 
well mustine good ideas. add to that every vocal should look for audio tranning midi filies u will find that on any sharing brogrammes like bitcomet torents keda ya3ni. ok and i figuered something else i dunt know if it will work with everyone here its eating before singing it really works in a good way if anyone here wants any help just send me about anything in vocaling and like i said before iam a brutal vocal and clean
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« Reply #38 - on: 09/30/06 at 2:38am »
 
mustaine, that vocal teacher has a point! i know perfectly well that singin along should be avoided, only if you can't hear your voice(ie, the stereo's volume is higher than yours)!that's why i made it clear that you should lower the volume as you practice! see, you can't really sing a song if you don't know the notes, can you? that's why you should sing along, NOT so that you can be able to sing it PERFECTLY of course(vocal exercises and recording, like you said, would help you accomplish perfection, i KNOW), but to give you an idea of WHERE you need to work in the track! for example, i sing along with stapp in "my sacrifice"...and , as the chorus starts, i KNOW that i need to work on, say, a bad note! that becomes clear when you lower the volume, therefore making YOUR voice audible, not his!
but yes, getting the instrumental track(or using karaoke on your sound system...that helps out a LOT  Wink ) would definitely help you get it RIGHT...i mean like PERFECT!
(besides, man, some people can't get down the vocal lines by ear, so, they can't really know whether they're out of tune or not! so that really helps them, don't you think?)
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« Reply #39 - on: 09/30/06 at 2:54pm »
 
a very good dvd is the zen of screaming and the teacher's name is melissa cross she coaches the vocalist from chimaira mark, everytime i die keith, arch enemy angela gossow , corey from slipknot try to get/download this dvd its very helpful
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« Reply #40 - on: 09/30/06 at 5:06pm »
 
omar do u know where can i download that plz if u have the website send it ok
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« Reply #41 - on: 09/30/06 at 10:59pm »
 
i've got it..... Tongue Grin Tongue Grin Tongue
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« Reply #42 - on: 10/01/06 at 12:02am »
 
http://torrentspy.com/torrent/498806/The_Zen_of_Screaming_Vocal_Instruction_DVD heres the link man but im not sure if its gonna work cos there rnt enough seeders.
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« Reply #43 - on: 10/01/06 at 1:17am »
 
thnx man.. i wanna add some advicese ok vocaling need exrcisese too like running or going to the gym or playing soccer with u r friends or basketball any thing that makes u breath and the most imp sport which make u u r breath very good swimming coz swimming makes u take u r breath right and diving too becoz of the water pressure and btw that helps all the smokers that cannot quit.but alteast try to dcrease the amount of cigs u smoke perday and u guys will see the diff.u guys always before the jamming or u r gig u have to worm up and there is a good sires that makes u learn how to do that if anyone wants a help tell me or need the link drinking alot of hot stuff like aries which is yansoon or cinmon its very good and mint guys stay away from lemmon begad it effect the voice chord like hell becoz it has alllooooooooooooot od vitmens c which makes the voice chord get infection  
 
one last tip:brutal vocaling with all its kind dosn't effect the voice chord at all if u sing right which means it dosn't effect ur clean vocaling non brutal,scream what ever trust me i asked and i mis neven 3loba if anyone knows here if u don't shes the best one in egypt sings sprano and shes a vocal teacher if u guys have any quest just go ahead and ask Smiley
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« Reply #44 - on: 10/01/06 at 2:39pm »
 
Really this Melisa Cross is amazing....She's almost 80% of wt any1 may need
 
in vocaling...i've had this DVD since long time but i just didn't realise how gr8 it
 
 is till U Omar reminded me of it....Thx alot manSmiley
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« Reply #45 - on: 10/01/06 at 4:43pm »
 
omar thnx alot bro its a gr8 DVD i can't beleive i just had some small mistakes which i was like why my voice sounds like that and after i watched the DVD i was like damn i could do it right and i sound alot batter thnx man. if u have anything else that helps plz just send it
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« Reply #46 - on: 10/01/06 at 5:06pm »
 
u know guys what makes ur training perfect?? just try it  
1- close the door  
2- start the song
3- pretend u r on stage n u wanna show off n kick ass Wink
4- sing with the same way u like it to be heard (its better to use a mic) with the same precautions said by FOUFOU  AKA Tafid... eehh  7efnawy
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« Reply #47 - on: 10/01/06 at 5:30pm »
 
well not a very good idea not for me
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« Reply #48 - on: 10/01/06 at 7:08pm »
 
hmmm...judging by the name of the DVD, i trust that this only gives you tips on brutal/screaming vocals and stuff?  
umm, guys, i was talking about CLEAN vocals! and especially vocals which are pretty hard to reach (eg. very high notes or even very low ones)! see, singing along, while gradually decreasing the volume of the sound system, gives you the strength AND the ability to reach those high notes! for example, did anyone listen to "iron maiden-the reincarnation of benjamin breeg"? if you did, listen to the part where he says "reincarnate still in me, live agaiiiiiiiiiiiiin"! i wouldn't have been able to get that part(sounds like he's fucking flying man, TOO hard) if i haven't sung along MANY times with the actual track! this stuff takes time, you gotta remember that! it's gonna take you a LOT of time, so just hang in there! Wink
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« Reply #49 - on: 10/01/06 at 7:49pm »
 
ya 3am hefnaway eih el 2nta bt2olo dah bs 1st of all download the dvd and then talk ok pluse the dvd its not about brutal and screaming its about how to sing right in genral ok
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« Reply #50 - on: 10/01/06 at 11:55pm »
 
Quote from Haythem on 10/01/06 at 4:43pm:
omar thnx alot bro its a gr8 DVD i can't beleive i just had some small mistakes which i was like why my voice sounds like that and after i watched the DVD i was like damn i could do it right and i sound alot batter thnx man. if u have anything else that helps plz just send it

 
Quote from maya on 10/01/06 at 2:39pm:
Really this Melisa Cross is amazing....She's almost 80% of wt any1 may need

in vocaling...i've had this DVD since long time but i just didn't realise how gr8 it

is till U Omar reminded me of it....Thx alot manSmiley

 
no worries guys nythin to help every1  Smiley, 1st time i got this dvd it was rli helpful helped me out alot as well as lots of tips from fellow vocalists in the local metal scene. and remember nothing comes out of nothing, u have to work and hone what ur doing rli well.
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« Reply #51 - on: 10/02/06 at 12:10am »
 
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« Reply #52 - on: 10/02/06 at 12:49am »
 
well i mean vocalists liek ahmed essam, sammy sayed and such  and they are very helpful when asked for advice. and i dont think these guys live on mars or nything.
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« Reply #53 - on: 10/02/06 at 1:18am »
 
Tyeb 7'las....i just misunderstood U  Huh
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« Reply #54 - on: 10/02/06 at 3:09pm »
 
well then, i'd love to watch that dvd! if anyone has a hard copy of it, can you please lend it to me for a day?
 
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« Reply #55 - on: 10/02/06 at 3:18pm »
 
yes ya hefnawy i'll get it for ya when i see in shax ok take care bro thnx agine ya omar it was really helpfukk thnx alot
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« Reply #56 - on: 10/02/06 at 6:46pm »
 
no worries bro wallahi if theres nythin else i can do its kool, its a long dvd but it covers alot of ground.
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« Reply #57 - on: 10/02/06 at 9:06pm »
 
yeah i know man but if u can search for any there dvd coz i did search and i never found any shit almost all the sharing prog thnx agine
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« Reply #58 - on: 10/03/06 at 3:35am »
 
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« Reply #59 - on: 10/09/06 at 12:58am »
 
Pro Secrets of Heavy Rock Singing by Bill Martin is one great book i think that Sammy already talked about that book somewhere, anyway i got that book - still in the way to egypt - and a read a few things in it it's almost the only book who talks about all kind of singing not many books talks about brutaling while this book do if you could get it guys i think it could really help
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